The Self: ever-present?

Some time ago, a Bengali youth asked Bhagavan,
“You say that the Self is present at all times and at all places. Where exactly is that ‘I’?”

Bhagavan replied with a smile,
“When I say you are present at all times and at all places and you ask where is that ‘I’, it is something like asking, when you are in Tiruvannamalai, ‘Where is Tiruvannamalai?’ When you are everywhere, where are you to search?
The real delusion is the feeling that you are the body. When you get rid of that delusion, what remains is your Self. You should search for a thing which is not with you but where is the need to search for a thing which is always with you?
All sadhanas are for getting rid of the delusion that you are the body.
The knowledge that ‘I am’ is always there:
call it Atma, or Paramatma or whatever you like. One should get rid of the idea that ‘I am the body’. There is no need to search for that ‘I’ that is the self.
That Self is all-pervading.”

As an illustration of this, I give hereunder the words of Bhagavan in “Unnadhi Nalupadhi”:

Without the Self
where is time and where is space?
If we are the body,
we have to be bound by time and space.
Are we the body?
We are one and identical now, then and
always; here, there and everywhere.
So, we are existent,
without time and space.”

  • Reality in Forty Verses, verse 16

_______Letters from Sri Ramanasramam.
Excerpt from Chapter (73)
THE ‘I’ IS THE MIND ITSELF

IT: starting and staying with the answer

A CRITICAL QUESTION

When sharing the “What is being shared here is…”, the “No me, no you, no person…”, the “Open Secret and beyond…”, the “Beyond non-duality…”, the “Start with the Answer and stay there”(rjs) [referring to the same thing in all of the above], ‘I’ am keenly aware of why it is counter-intuitive to give ‘IT’ a label. But don’t we – or do we – oh golly I dunno! don’t we need to have some consistent way of identifying ‘IT’ in the literature?

In this treatment, I’m referring to the issue by the very temporary term IT. That’s not helpful as a solution for speakers and writers: I guess I just want it to be abundantly clear that the purity and absolute uniqueness of IT is fully appreciated and supported by “me”.

Why do “I” care so much about this labeling thing? Because I care so deeply and passionately about IT that I shudder inside and out when I see IT so unfairly misrepresented.

IT is not out there just to give other disciplines a rolling-the-eyes headache. IT isn’t a .001-second path: IT is always and already THERE (starting- and- staying- with- the- answer).

Block Universe (prakriti) in Dzogchen

Try this…

An Infinite Field of Dependent Histories

What this means is: an apple (or any phenomena) is itself the sum total of its entire prior history. Further, any existing or contributing aspect of the apple’s history, such as the apple seed, the earth it grew in, the necessary nutrients, the water, the sunlight etc. etc. , are required, as well as also each of those contributing aspects or factors, will have their own prior histories as well.

This understanding reveals a vision which spans the entire universe as being an infinitely vast network of interdependent histories.

No “thing”, subjectively mental or objectively “material” can be isolated as though existing apart from its current total field of supporting dependencies and its prior developmental history of previously existing supporting and influencing relationships.

To think otherwise is itself the definition of “magical thinking”.

Now imagine that this “total field of interdependencies” includes the past, present and future as a single field or as a unified network of interconnected relationships or hierarchies. This further defines Einstein’s concept of an all inclusive “block universe” comprised of past, present and future as a fixed and unchanging 4D hologram.

So it doesn’t matter which or whatever philosophical or metaphysical or religious framework one wishes to superimpose upon this fixed field of Reality, it won’t alter what’s primordially there.

The future is never other than the extension of its history extended forward in time. An apple seed will never develop into a lemon. A lemon’s history will have to have something other than an apple seed as it’s origin. And so it is with ALL mental and material phenomena including the mind.

But the above description doesn’t include the permanent (timeless) Knowing Presence of Awareness. Knowing Awareness has no history, has no past, present or future. It’s outside of time, mind, thought, identity, self, form and event, yet is all pervading without dimension, like a borderless mirror in which reflections simply appear and are known. But better than the mirror analogy is one where Awareness is the unchanging empty space which hosts the Universal Hologram.

So whatever “spin” you want to put upon the nature and characteristics of the “reflections” as the appearing thoughts, mind, perceptions, identities, forms, bodies, objects, and energies; no utterly simple, elegant, complex or fanciful mental construct or paradigm will ever influence or impact the Knowing Awareness in which they harmlessly appear.

In Samkhya the interdependent “field” of past, present and future phenomena; mental and material, is called “prakriti”.

The empty Knowing Awareness is called Purusha or Jña in Samkhya.

Does Prakriti (the block universe) arise as the creative potential or expression of Knowing Awareness itself or are they always in a dualistic relationship?

Seeing how both pervade the other completely, to speak of “two” is incoherent. To see changing reflections as being “identical” to the unchanging mirror in which they appear, is equally incoherent.

It is only the historical or evolved form of prakriti known as the intellect (buddhi) which has concerns regarding duality or non-duality as being relevant philosophical positions.

The main task in Dzogchen is to differentiate Awareness from mind, thought, and the conceptualizing intellect. The egoic self identity is one of mind’s products. It is only the mind and intellect which “seem” to obscure rigpa.

Mind, thought and intellect are dependent prakriti, Awareness is neither prakriti nor is dependent.

That which is aware OF thoughts, images, perceptions, memories, logic, intellect, self and mind IS rigpa Awareness.

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posted by Jackson Peterson

Robin Sharing

ND vs NON-WORLD Languaging issues

THE  “GOD”  QUESTION [rjs]

[QUESTIONER:]

Q: As long as you do not put all the burden of evil on God, I am 

satisfied. There may be a God for all I know, but to me he is a 

concept projected by the human mind. He may be a reality to 

you, but to me society is more real than God, for I am both its 

creature and its prisoner. Your values are wisdom and compas-

sion; society’s: sagacious selfishness. I live in a world quite dif-

ferent from yours.

[NISARGADATTA MAHARAJ: ]

M: None compels.

Q: None compels you, but I am compelled. My world is an evil 

world, full of tears, toil and pain. To explain it away by the intel-

lectualizing, by putting forth theories of evolution and karma is 

merely adding insult to injury. The God of an evil world is a cruel 

God.

M: You are the god of your world and you are both stupid and 

cruel. Let God be a concept — your own creation. Find out who 

you are, how did you come to live, longing for truth, goodness 

and beauty in a world full of evil. Of what use is your arguing for 

or against God, when you just do not know who is God and what 

are you talking about. The God born of fear and hope, shaped 

by desire and imagination, cannot be the Power That Is, the 

Mind and the Heart of the universe.

Q: I agree that the world I live in and the God I believe in are 

both creatures of imagination. But in what way are they created 

by desire? Why do I imagine a world so painful and a God so in-

different? What is wrong with me that I should torture myself so 

cruelly? The enlightened man comes and tells me: ‘it is but a 

dream to put an end to’, but is he not himself a part of the 

dream? I find myself trapped and see no way out. You say you 

are free. Of what are you free? For heaven’s sake, don’t feed me 

on words, enlighten me, help me to wake up, since it is you who 

sees me tossing in my sleep.

M: When I say I am free, I merely state a fact. If you are an 

adult, you are free from infancy. I am free from all description 

and identification. 

Nisargadatta Maharaj 

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JayemHammer:

GOD: Gushing Ongoing Divinity. All that remains when there is no separate self whirling in the delusion of itself: the shimmering Light is everywhere and all arises and dances and passes away in it, revealing it. If one thing is denied, the Sacred cannot be seen….

Jackson Peterson: 

Jayem Hammer  seen by whom? 🤷‍♂️

James Hammer to Jackson Peterson:

●●●by the one who sees…its easy to get way too cute with all the ‘right languaging’, though it often requires we deny direct evidence….clearly, there IS ‘one’ who thinks, sees, acts, moves (and hopefully comes to be increasingly moved, free of the recoil that leads even to the mind that deflects with all the cute languaging: the tinsel on the tree…, just abide, honestly and truly; observe…breathe (far more than think)..notice how mind reaches for what it has read, thought, absorbed into itself, which only ‘thinks’,,,,something awaits beyond…there is a sacredness/holiness pervading All, Here and Now…but the mind niether sees it nor can hope to comprehend it…uncoil the mind into Presence, the heart into Stillness and the Kosmos reveals Itself AS Holiness, and suddenly that ‘God talk’ begins to make sense even to the mind that has eschewed it…it becomes as precious and useful in pointing to Mystery, and describing it, as any ‘languaging’…what really matters is the Heart beyond and deeeper than mind CAN reach, opens, like the roots of the lotus that allow the petals to blossom….and always and ALWAYS and always, clearly, there IS ‘one’ who is aware, indeed, given, gifted, and graced, with Seeing..●●●

Robin Sharing

I’m afraid my automatic ND answer to the automatic ND question is causing some upset here: “By no one, for no one, about no one”. This is not an easy LANGUAGING ISSUE to overcome as it tries to address a NON-WORLD issue within the realm of the world.

Seeds of Consciousness, NM +info

As salt is in water, similarly, in the body, in combination with the vital breath, the consciousness appears. It is the consciousness that feels pain or pleasure, not the body or the vital breath. Once you know that you are not the body, all the concepts about pain and pleasure will disappear by themselves. Are you convinced that this is true?

To keep quiet and watch for yourself is called meditation. Remaining in what you have heard here is called spiritual practice.

Nisargadatta Maharaj
[Seeds of Consciousness]

Seeds of Consciousness

Nisargadatta Maharaj

Nisargadatta Maharaj

The Incessant Absolute


Nisargadatta Maharaj (17 April 1897 – 8 September 1981), born Maruti Shivrampant Kambli, was an Indian guru of nondualism, belonging to the Inchagiri Sampradaya, a lineage of teachers from the Navnath Sampradaya and Lingayat Shaivism.

Ramesh S. Balsekar (25 May 1917 – 27 September 2009) was a disciple of the late Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, a renowned Advaita master. From early childhood, Balsekar was drawn to Advaita, a nondual teaching, particularly the teachings of Ramana Maharshi and Wei Wu Wei

Concessions with language w/Nisargadatta Maharaj &rjs

The World is the abode of desires and fears: you cannot find peace in it.

For peace you must go beyond the world. The root cause of the world is self-love. Because of it we seek pleasure and avoid pain.

Replace self-love by love of the Self and the picture changes.

nisargadatta maharaj
I Am That
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Temporary concession with language: since words have no inherent meaning nor power, “we” might try plugging into NM’s intended meaning by seeing “Self” as “we (westerners)” see “Absolute” or “Wholeness”, “All, Emptiness, Fullness, Perfection, God, Nirvana.”