I don’t care so much these days whether or not one is a futurist or a preterist in their eschatology, as both have their flaws and weaknesses. Whether you think Jesus returned symbolically in the first century, or whether you believe he will return “any day now” does not matter nearly as much to me as does the manner in which you believe he returned or will return.

If you see the bloody, fiery destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE as the direct handiwork of God, then, quite frankly, I’m glad your version of God isn’t going to return any day now. On the other hand, if, as a futurist, you believe Jesus will soon return and “kill multitudes,” to use Mike Bickle’s words, and literally bathe the earth in a sort of hellfire, then I’m equally glad to know that your prophetic interpretation is flawed and untenable.

Regardless of when you believe Jesus returned or will return, what matters most is how you see him returning. If his second coming contradicts his peaceful, non-violent first coming, then it isn’t Jesus. Period. The Jesus many are expecting to return looks a whole lot more like the anti-Christ they’re told to fear, as does the already-returned Jesus of *some (I know it isn’t all) in the preterist camp. I personally believe that the early church saw most of the “second coming” prophecies as having had their fulfillment in the 70 CE destruction of Jerusalem, but I believe many also mistakenly attributed the work to God, instead of what it really was, which was a lack of willingness to trod the peaceful path laid out by a God who has rejected violence and the sword.
~Jeff Turner

“Inaccurate eschatology causes believers to:
Wait for a King who already reigns,
Wait for a Kingdom they’re already in
Wait to become what they already are,
Wait for power that they already have,
Wait for an Age that they’re already in,
Wait for victory that’s already been won,
Wait to do, what they should already be doing.”

– Nathan Edward Camacho

Thank you John T. Argo

A good majority of Christianity believes in the 2nd coming of Christ.
Those who have been following my posts know that I teach Christ is come.
He is already here, within us. Jesus said, the Kingdom of God is within us.
Why would God’s kingdom still be coming if it is already within?
Today, I want us to look carefully at
Revelation 1:7
“Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen.”

The key words for this text on Christ’s return are: “even those that pierced him”
Can this be any clearer that the ones responsible for crucifying Jesus would still be alive to see him return.
Furthermore, since this is written in Revelation we know John is not referring to Jesus appearances after the resurrection. At the time of this writing John is still referring to it as a future event.

Does not this correlate with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:34-35?
“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”
Heaven and Earth was the Jewish symbol for their Temple.
So here Jesus is being very explicit and specifying that their generation will not pass away until he returns and their Temple is destroyed.
We know from history the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 AD along with Jerusalem.

So the million dollar question is how, where and when did Jesus return around 70 AD?
This question might be best answered by Josephus, who was a Jewish historian commissioned the Romans, to document the historical accounts leading up to and during the destruction of Jerusalem.

“on the one-and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities . Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking , and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence.”

This event was independently documented by Tacitus, who was a Roman historian commissioned to also document the war against the Jews and Jerusalem:

“Prodigies had occurred, but their expiation by the offering of victims or solemn vows is held to be unlawful by a nation which is the slave of superstition and the enemy of true beliefs. In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure. Few people placed a sinister interpretation upon this. The majority were convinced that the ancient scriptures of their priests alluded to the present as the very time when the Orient would triumph and from Judaea would go forth men destined to rule the world.” (Histories, Book 5, v. 13).

I hope this piques your interest to read and study these historical accounts.
You will be amazed to find the wealth and treasure in the fulfilment of Old and New Testament prophecy that is documented.
There is now tremendous evidence documented by historians and Scholars that show that the Book of Revelation was written between 65 and 68ad.
I’ve only scratched the surface here, there is much, much more.
Dan Shaffer

WHEN WOULD THEY SAY TO THE MOUNTAINS “FALL ON US” AND TO THE HILLS “COVER US”?
Isaiah 2:2 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days (“last days” KJV) 10 Enter into the rock, and hide in the dust, From the terror of the LORD…19 They shall go into the holes of the rocks And into the caves of the earth,…From the terror of the LORD And the glory of His majesty, When He arises to shake the earth mightily.
Notice again the context here… the latter days, the last days is associated with the day of the Lord, a day of judgment for the proud and haughty and lofty would also be a time when the mountain of the Lord’s house, which is the kingdom of God, will be exalted above the hills which are the little kingdoms and nations.
Jesus applied this passage to HIS day, not a future day.
In Luke 23 Jesus is being led to his death and he turns to the women who are weeping for him and this is what he said,
“27 And a great multitude of the people followed Him, and women who also mourned and lamented Him. 28 But Jesus, turning to THEM, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for YOURSELVES and for YOUR children. 29 For indeed the days ARE COMING in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”’
THEN…
Revelation 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
What Isaiah calls the last days, Jesus says is coming soon TO THEM in THEIR DAY, and then the same thing is said in Revelation BECAUSE it all refers to the same event.
Revelation has been fulfilled in the fall of Jerusalem in AD70.
Chuck Crisco

Did you realize that every time God “comes down” or that he “comes in the cloud”, it is always about judgment?

Genesis 11:7 – Babel

Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

Genesis 18:21 – Sodom

that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”

Deuteronomy 33:26

“There is no one like the God of Jeshurun,

who rides across the heavens to help you

and on the clouds in his majesty.
Psalms 104:3

and lays the beams of his upper chambers on their waters. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind.

Jeremiah 4:13-14 – Jerusalem

Look! He advances like the clouds, his chariots come like a whirlwind, his horses are swifter than eagles.
Woe to us! We are ruined!

Jerusalem, wash the evil from your heart and be saved.

How long will you harbor wicked thoughts?

Ezekiel 1:28 – 2:1

Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.
This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.

Daniel 7:13 – Jerusalem AD70

“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

Nahum 1:3

The Lord is slow to anger but great in power; the Lord will not leave the guilty unpunished.

His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.

Matthew 24:30 AD70
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 AD70

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Revelation 1:7 AD70

“Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”

So shall it be! Amen.

Revelation 14:14

I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand.

Revelation 14:16

So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

So.

Do you know see what is the coming in the clouds?
It is always speaking about judgment. Not rapture.

There is one more thing I want you to see. Revelation 14 records the actual coming in the cloud mentioned by Jesus. Now pay attention to this. What would happen?

Revelation 14:16

So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.
Now let me ask you this question. When was the earth harvested?

Matthew 9:37 AD30-33

Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few.”

Do you realize it was during the generation spoke about?
Let’s close with a fascinating thought. If that is about AD70. It would mean that’s the final time he came and went back.

It also means his final coming was found in Revelation 21. It was hence also about AD70.

Let me show when was the final coming.

Revelation 21:3

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

He now already dwells with his people. Did you know since then he hasn’t gone back for him to go back. His dwelling is no longer in the clouds.

It’s among his people. You.
God bless you.
Simon Yap

What did John mean by “no more death and tears”?

If we bother to read the the book of Revelation in the light of the Old Testament, we would NOT be intoxicated with a dark impeding future of a doomsday antichrist.

Revelation 21:4
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Isaiah 25:8
He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces,

and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth,

for the Lord has spoken.

You will see that John was quoting Isaiah.

Now look at the context.

Isaiah 25:6-7
On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples

a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine,

of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.
And he will swallow up on this mountain

the covering that is cast over all peoples,

the veil that is spread over all nations.

This mountain is the New Jerusalem. It came about after the Old Jerusalem was destroyed in AD70.

The Old Jerusalem was where the Law was practiced. It is also know as Sinai.

Galatians 4:25
Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

Now look at this.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.

Notice Paul tells us the veil spoken in Isaiah is the Old Covenant.

What John is trying to tell you therefore is that it when the Temple and preAD70 Jerusalem were destroyed, the ministry of death being the Law and the continual tearful need of repentance were done away with.

2 Corinthians 3:7
Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,

It has nothing to do with us living immortalised. That is not happening in the future. It happened in AD70.

It is time we come to a realisation that death and tears are our past. We are now living a resurrected life.

Simon Yap
hischarisisenough.wordpress.com

HIS SECOND COMING
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The Bible contains much more material concerning the Second Coming. Consider this passage in Matthew that we have already mentioned, which we will now consider in more depth. Jesus is speaking to his disciples: And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. (Matthew 10: 22-23) Here Jesus made a clear statement about the timing of his Second Coming. Jesus stated to his disciples that He would come before they had completed going through all of the cities of Israel. Let’s consider how some interpreters view this passage. Some commentaries say that this statement is not about the Lord’s Second Coming at all, but about his First Coming. But obviously, this passage cannot be about his First Coming; Jesus was already there! Similarly, some say that the passage is referring to Jesus’own ministry in the cities of Galilee. But that does not fit the passage either. It is not about Jesus’ministry in the cities of Galilee; it is about the disciples who were going through the cities of Israel. The passage makes sense only if Jesus was looking ahead to the time when He was no longer on the earth and the disciples had the responsibility of carrying out their work of evangelism. Further, Jesus was giving the disciples themselves a timeline for what was going to happen in relationship to their work, not Jesus’own work. Other commentaries acknowledge that Jesus is referring to the Second Coming. For example, the popular NIV Study Bible says, “The saying seems to teach that the gospel will continue to be preached to the Jews until Christ’s Second Coming.”Such an interpretation completely ignores the fact that Jesus is telling his disciples that they themselves will not finish their mission before his Second Coming. (It’s amazing what otherwise good scholars can come up with in order to support a flawed presupposition.)
Charles Meek

Christian Hope through
FULFILLED PROPHECY
~Charles S. Meek

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Preterism 101
Here is a list of preterist passages compiled by David A. Green. 267 This compilation puts an exclamation point to the importance of the imminency passages in the New Testament: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 3: 2) Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come? (Matthew 3: 7) The axe is already laid at the root of the trees. (Matthew 3: 10) His winnowing fork is in His hand. (Matthew 3: 12) The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 4: 17) The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (Matthew 10: 7) You shall not finish going through the cities of Israel, until the Son of Man comes. (Matthew 10: 23) the age about to come (Matthew 12: 32) The Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds. (Matthew 16: 27) There are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom. (Matthew 16: 28; cf. Mark 9: 1; Luke 9: 27) “When the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers, who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”…“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you, and be given to a nation producing the fruit of it.”…When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them. (Matthew. 21: 40-41, 43, 45) This generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Matthew 24: 34) From now on, you [Caiaphas, the chief priests, the scribes, the elders, the whole Sanhedrin] shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven. (Matthew 26: 64; Mark 14: 62; Luke 22: 69) The kingdom of God is at hand. (Mark 1: 15) What will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and destroy the vine-growers, and will give the vineyard to others…. They [the chief priests, scribes and elders] understood that He spoke the parable against them. (Mark 12: 9, 12) This generation will not pass away until all these things take place. (Mark 13: 30) Who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come? (Luke 3: 7) The axe is already laid at the root of the trees. (Luke 3: 9) His winnowing fork is in His hand. (Luke 3: 17) The kingdom of God has come near to you. (Luke 10: 9) The kingdom of God has come near. (Luke 10: 11) What, therefore, will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy these vine-growers and will give the vineyard to others…. The scribes and the chief priests…. understood that He spoke this parable against them. (Luke 20: 1516, 19) These are days of vengeance, in order that all things which are written may be fulfilled. (Luke 21: 22) This generation will not pass away until all things take place. (Luke 21: 32) Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say, “Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.’Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’and to the hills, ‘Cover us’”(Luke 23: 28-30; compare Revelation 6: 14-17) We were hoping that He was the One who is about to redeem Israel. (Luke 24: 21) I will come to you…. In that Day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in Me, and I in you…. Lord, what then has happened that You are about to disclose Yourself to us, and not to the world? (John 14: 18, 20, 22) If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? (John 21: 22) This is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: “And it shall be in the last days “(Acts 2: 16-17) He has fixed a day in which He is about to judge the world in righteousness. (Acts 17: 31) There is about to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. (Acts 24: 15) As he was discussing righteousness, self-control and the judgment about to come. (Acts 24: 25) Not for [Abraham’s] sake only was it written, that [faith] was reckoned to him [as righteousness], but for our sake also, to whom it is about to be reckoned. (Romans 4: 23-24) If you are living according to the flesh, you are about to die. (Romans 8: 13) I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us. (Romans 8: 18) It is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand. (Romans 13: 11-12) The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. (Romans 16: 20) The time has been shortened. (1 Corinthians 7: 29) The form of this world is passing away. (1 Corinthians 7: 31) Now these things …were written for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come. (1 Corinthians 10: 11) We shall not all fall sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15: 51-52) Maranatha! [The Lord comes!] (1 Corinthians 16: 22) not only in this age, but also in the one about to come (Ephesians 1: 21) The Lord is near. (Philippians 4: 5) The gospel …was proclaimed in all creation under heaven. (Colossians 1: 23; compare Matthew 24: 14; Romans 10: 18, 16: 26; Colossians 1: 5-6; 2 Timothy 4: 17; Revelation 14: 6-7; cf. 1 Clement 5, 7) things which are a shadow of what is about to come (Colossians 2: 16-17) We who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord…. We who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds…. You, brethren, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you like a thief…. (1 Thessalonians 4: 15, 17; 5: 4) May your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thessalonians 5: 23) It is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire. (2 Thessalonians 1: 6-7) Godliness …holds promise for the present life and that which is about to come. (I Timothy 4: 8) I charge you …that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Timothy 6: 14) storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for that which is about to come, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed (1 Timothy 6: 19) In the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self …Avoid these men. For of these are those who enter into households and captivate weak women …These also oppose the truth …But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all. (2 Timothy 3: 1-2, 5-6, 8-9) I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is about to judge the living and the dead. (2 Timothy 4: 1) God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son. (Hebrews 1: 1-2) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who are about to inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1: 14) He did not subject to angels the world about to come. (Hebrews 2: 5)
Christian Hope through
FULFILLED PROPHECY
~ Charles Meek

Inaccurate Eschatology causes believers to:
Wait for a King, who already reigns,
Wait for a kingdom, they’re already in,
Wait to become, what they already are,
Wait for power, that they already have,
Wait for an Age, that they’re already in,
Wait for victory, that has already been won,
Wait to do, what they should already be doing.
~ Nathan Edward Camacho