You take a look at yourself.
Look at the way your thoughts have been ruling you, keeping you in bondage to them, how your thoughts have caused you to fear, to be suspicious, to be doubtful, to be apprehensive, to worry, and you
begin to do the work.
As long as the thoughts keep coming, you have to ask the question
“To whom do they come?”
That’s how it all begins.
Forget about the world.
Forget about everything.
I know some of you are saying already
“If I forget about everything, how will it get done?”
As I explained to you before,
before you were born everything was already laid out, and your body is going to go through the experiences it has to go through, yet it has absolutely nothing to do with you.
So forget about that.
Deal with the thing at hand.
It meant first that your thoughts control you completely, and it’s hard for you to get away from them.
Then you start to work by inquiring
“To whom do they come?”
Whatever thoughts come to you, you pose the same question. It makes no difference whether the thoughts are good or bad.
Some of you are still believing that to pose the question “To whom does this come?” is only for bad thoughts, or when things are not going your way.
On the contrary. All thoughts are erroneous. No matter what kind of happy thoughts come to you, no matter what thoughts come to you that are horrible, you have to ask
“To whom do they come?
To whom do they come?
They come to me. I feel them. Since I can think about I, I must be separate from
myself, and all of my thoughts are threaded on the I.”
You therefore follow the I thread to the source, realizing all the time that you are not I. You become the witness to I.
That alone makes you feel wonderful, for you begin to realize that your real nature is freedom.
It is I who has the problems.
It is I who has the apprehension, the suspicions, the anger, the fears, the frustrations, the needs, the wants,
the desires, are all attached to I.
It is even I that wishes to become self-realized.
Watch the I.
Abide in the I.
Just by abiding in the I do thoughts begin to become weaker. When more thoughts come, you inquire again “To whom do they come?” and you realize they belong to the personal I. At this time, when you’re witnessing the I, do not inquire “Who am I?” but spend the time witnessing the I.
As further thoughts interrupt you, again inquire “To whom do they come?” Again “They come to me, to I.” Again
feel and realize that my real nature is safe and secure. It is I who has the problem. When you come to this realization
after a while, you then can inquire “Who is this I? Who am I?” Remember when you’re saying “Who am I? you’re
not talking about your real nature, who does not experience problems. You’re referring to your personal I, that is
separate and apart from you.
Where did this I come from?
Who gave it birth?
If you do this correctly, everything will come by itself. You will begin to feel and realize your self. “When I slept, I
was not bothered by I. When I dreamt I was not bothered by I. But now that I woke up, I is born. Who gave it birth?”
This kind of inquiry will cause something beautiful to happen to you. You will begin to feel that no one gave the I birth.
It never existed to begin with.
I know some of you still believe that consciousness, or the self, gave the I birth. How could this be? Consciousness,
the self, is all-pervading. It takes up all space. There’s no room for anything else. In other words, there cannot be
consciousness and you, or consciousness and I, or consciousness and the world, because there’s just no room. There
never was room for you and I. This will be a new revelation for you. You will awaken simply by realizing this great
truth.
When I say you look for the source of I, the source of I is nothing. It comes from no thing. But you will ask the question “Then why did it come at all?” And the answer is, it didn’t. The I exists like your body exists, like your mind exists, like the world exists, like the universe exists, like God exists. All of that is I. If none of these things
exist, neither does the I.
The important point to remember is, when you’re playing with the I, do not identify the I with the body or with yourself. Keep the I separate. Realize that your body is attached to the I, the universe is attached to the I, but the I does not exist. Nothing gave it birth. That’s why as I opened up the lecture tonight, I said your true nature is nothing.
You are plain nothing. You are no thing. No thing, nothing is consciousness, absolute reality, pure awareness. It is Parabrahman, it is beyond Brahman, and you are that. It begins and ends with you.
What do you do with all of your time during the day? There is no such thing as you’re too busy to practice self- inquiry. This should come first in your life, because this is your life. Everything else is secondary. If this appears too cdifficult for you in the beginning, surrender everything to God.
Let God take care of everything for you. Say something like this “God, self-inquiry is too heavy for me right now. I seem to go nowhere with it. But I surrender to
you my emotions, my body, my anger, my fears, my frustrations. I surrender the universe, the world. Everything that I believe I surrender to you. Take it and do as you will with me. I am only a puppet for you. Play with me as you desire,” and leave it at that.
As you keep on surrendering every day, twice a day, three times a day, just by that alone fear will leave you. Your frustrations will leave you. Your mind will not concentrate on your body. It will become
weaker just by surrendering.
The choice is yours. Do what you must. But remember, to go on playing the game of life will only lead you to more life, more births, more deaths, more frustration and more ignorance.
Realize the truth about yourself, and become free.
The Collected Works of Robert Adams Volume 1, page 248-249
FREEDOM FROM THOUGHTS We all live two separate, or dual, lives in our thinking and in our experiencing. If and when we’re free of thoughts, we get to experience the present in its blissful, serene and pristine purity! DrRobinStarbuck
AdvaitaThe nondualistic school of Vedanta philosophy that affirms the oneness of the individual soul, God, and the universe.
AranyakasThat section of the Vedas which gives a spiritual interpretation to the ritualistic portion of the Vedas. It is also called the “forest treatises” because it was originally intended for ascetics who lived in the forests.
Ashrama or AshramA center of spiritual study or meditation. A retreat, hermitage, or monastery.
AshtavakraThe sage who authored the Ashtavakra Samhita.Ashtavakra SamhitaA classic text on Advaita Vedanta.
AtmanThe divine Spirit in man, the Self which is one with Brahman, the all-pervading divine existence, the Ground of the universe.Avadhuta GitaA classic text on Advaita Vedanta.AvatarAn incarnation of God.AvidyaIgnorance, individual or cosmic, which hides the nature of the supreme Reality from our view.BadarayanaAuthor of the Brahma Sutras. Little is known of him, though tradition identifies him with Vyasa, the author of the Mahabharata, who lived in India somewhere between 500 and 200 B.C.
Bhagavad GitaLiterally the “Song of God,” the Gita is one of the most revered scriptures of Hinduism, and consists of 700 verses.
BhaktiLove of God.Bhakti yogaUnion with God through the path of loving devotion.BhasyaA commentary.
BrahmanThe absolute Reality, the Unity of all that exists, the formless, attributeless Godhead.
Brahma SutrasAlso known as the Vedanta Sutras. A treatise by Badarayana on Vedanta philosophy which interprets the Upanishads, and discusses the knowledge of Brahman.BuddhiIntelligence or discriminating faculty which classifies sense impressions.ChakraOne of the six centers of consciousness located along the spinal column.ChandiAlso known as the Devi Mahatmyam.
The Chandi is a sacred Hindu scripture which praises the Divine Mother of the universe, identifying her as the ultimate Reality.
DeviLit., “goddess.” The word can refer to any female deity in Hinduism.
DharmaRighteousness, truth, or religious duty.Dhruva (or Dhruba) smritiThe state of constant recollectedness of God.DhyanaMeditation or prolonged concentration.DurgaAn aspect of the Divine Mother of the universe, the consort of Shiva. Durga is generally represented with ten arms, seated on a lion. She is the protectress of the universe, destroying the demons of ignorance and giving the blessings of divine love and knowledge.GunaLit., “quality.” In Hindu philosophy there are three gunas which constitute prakriti, or nature: sattva, rajas, and tamas. Tamas is characterized by dullness, stupidity, inertia; rajas by activity, restlessness, and passion; sattva by calmness, purity, and wisdom. These three qualities are found in varying proportions in the external world and in all created beings.GuruSpiritual teacher.IshtaThe spiritual aspirant’s chosen ideal of God.IshvaraThe personal aspect of God; God with attributes.
JanakaA famous king who was both a knower of Brahman as well as the ruler of his kingdom, Videha.JapaRepetition of the Lord’s name, usually one’s own mantra.
JnanaKnowledge of the ultimate Reality, attained through the process of reason and discrimination between the real and the unreal.
Jnana yogaPath of union with the ultimate Reality through spiritual knowledge and discrimination between the real and the unreal.JnaniOne who follows the path of knowledge by discriminating between the eternal and the transitory.KaliOne of the aspects of the Divine Mother of the universe. Kali was Ramakrishna’s Chosen Ideal, and he worshiped her image at the Dakshineswar temple for many years. Kali is usually shown standing on the chest of her consort, Shiva. Around her waist she wears a garland of human arms, and around her neck a garland of human heads. She has four arms: the lower left hand holds a human head, her upper hand grips a saber. With one right hand she offers boons to her children, and with the other she makes the sign that dispels fear. She deals out death as she creates and preserves. Kali destroys ignorance, preserves world order, and gives blessings and liberation to those who earnestly seek it. While Shiva represents the Absolute, Kali represents the dynamic, or relative aspect of the Supreme Reality.KarmaAction, both physical and mental, and the effects of action.Karma yogaPath of union with God through selfless activity.KarpanyaThe feeling of helplessness; self-surrender.Lokacharya, PillaiTwelfth-century Vaishnava philosopher and writer who held that God’s grace is spontaneous; it was to be sought not only through bhakti, devotion, but also through total self-surrender.MadhvaThe twelfth-century exponent of dualistic Vedanta. He wrote commentaries on the Brahma Sutras, the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita.
MahamayaThe Mother of the universe, the divine will. Mahamaya veils our vision of Brahman, the absolute Reality. Yet through her grace, she rends this veil, allowing us to realize the identity of the Atman with Brahman.MahavakyaLiterally, “great saying.” A Vedantic formula that declares the oneness of the individual soul with Brahman.MananaThe process of reasoning in which one reflects on the spiritual teacher’s words and meditates upon their meaning.MantraThe sacred name of God given by the guru to the disciple. Repetition of the mantra is japa.MargaPath; jnana marga, for example, is the path of spiritual knowledge, and bhakti marga is the path of devotion.MayaMaya is the power of Brahman, the creative aspect of God. It is also the cosmic illusion that creates ignorance and veils the vision of Brahman. Due to the power of maya, Brahman, the one Reality, is perceived as the manifold universe.NididhyasanaDeep meditation on the truth of Brahman.Nirvikalpa samadhiLit., “changeless samadhi.” The highest state of realization in which the spiritual aspirant attains oneness with the Absolute.
OmThe most sacred syllable of Hinduism; the sound-symbol of Brahman.
PrakritiPrimordial nature; the material principle of the world which, in association with Purusha, creates the universe. Prakriti is one of the two ultimate realities of Sankhya philosophy.PranaIn the physical body, prana is the vital breath that sustains life and manifests as thought, bodily function, and physical action. In the cosmos, prana is the sum total of all primal energy that manifests as motion, gravitation, magnetism, etc.PrarthanaPrayer.PratyaharaWithdrawal of the mind from the objects of the senses.
PravrajikaTitle of women who have taken final vows of renunciation, or sannyas. (The corresponding word for men is swami.) The term generally means a woman ascetic.PujaRitualistic worship.PurushaOne of the two ultimate realities of Sankhya philosophy. The divine Self, the absolute Reality, pure Consciousness.Raja yogaLiterally the “royal yoga,” raja yoga is the path of meditation. It is the spiritual path by which one attains union with the Absolute through control of internal and external forces.RajasThe guna which expresses itself as restlessness, activity, and passion.Ramakrishna, Sri(1836-1886) A God-man of India who is considered by many to be an incarnation of God. His message stressed the essential unity of all religions, the innate divinity of humanity, and the realization of God as the goal of life.RamanujaThe eleventh-century saint-philosopher who propagated the school of qualified nondualism, Vishishtadvaita. Ramanuja wrote commentaries on the Brahma Sutras and the Bhagavad Gita, along with other original treatises which advocated his philosophy of devotion to God as the highest ideal of human life.RamprasadEighteenth-century Bengali mystic and poet. He composed devotional songs to Kali which Ramakrishna loved to sing.RishiA seer of spiritual truth. Usually the term refers to the ancient Hindu seers to whom the Vedas were revealed.
SadhanaSpiritual discipline.
SamadhiThe superconscious state in which one experiences one’s identity with the ultimate Reality.
SamskaraTendencies inherited from previous births which form a person’s propensities in this life.SannyasFinal monastic vows in which the spiritual aspirant completely renounces everything for the sake of realization of the ultimate Reality.
Sarada Devi, Sri(1853-1920) Sri Ramakrishna’s wife, also known as Holy Mother. Both Ramakrishna and Sarada Devi lived completely celibate lives; both were ideal monastics and ideal householders. Sarada Devi was the embodiment of spiritual motherhood; her life was devoted to loving service and self-sacrifice. She is seen by many as an incarnation of the Divine Mother.
SatchidanandaExistence (sat), Knowledge (chit), and Bliss (ananda) absolute; Brahman, the absolute Reality.
SattvaThe guna which expresses itself as calmness, purity, and wisdom.ShaktiGod as the Mother of the universe. Shakti is the power of Brahman, the personification of primal energy.
Shankara or ShankaracharyaThe great Vedanta philosopher who lived in the eighth century A.D., and revived Advaita Vedanta in India after a thousand years of Buddhist influence. Though he lived only thirty-two years, he organized a monastic system that is still in existence today. His enormous literary contribution includes commentaries on the Brahma Sutras, the principal Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita. He also wrote his own philosophical works such as the Vivekacudamani ( the Crest-Jewel of Discrimination) and the Upadeshasahasri. In addition, Shankara composed hymns, prayers, and various minor works on Vedanta philosophy.
ShivaGod in his aspect of destroyer of the universe. He is the third person in the Hindu trinity, the other two being Brahma, the creator, and Vishnu, the preserver. In his personal aspect, Shiva is the ideal yogi, the embodiment of renunciation, absorbed in eternal meditation in the Himalayas. He is known for his compassion: those who find refuge nowhere else—even snakes and demons—find shelter in Shiva. To save the world Shiva drank the poison which surfaced during the creation of the world. Since it stayed in his throat, he is called the “blue-throated one.” Shiva is also the Absolute, the Supreme Reality. He is the transcendent aspect of God, while Kali, or Shakti represents the relative, dynamic aspect.ShraddhaFirm faith guided by reason.SravanaHearing or listening to the highest spiritual truth.SriAn honorific prefix used before the name of a deity, holy person, or book. It is also the Hindu equivalent of “Mr.”SuresvaraA philosopher-sage of India who was a direct disciple of Shankara. He wrote treatises on Advaita Vedanta in such books as Naishkarmya Siddhi, Manosollasa, and Varttika.SwamiLit., “Lord.” Title of monks who have taken final vows of renunciation, sannyas.SwamijiIn the tradition of the Ramakrishna Order, Swamiji refers to Swami Vivekananda. It is also a respectful way of addressing any swami.TamasThe guna which expresses itself as dullness, stupidity, and inertia.TantraThe religious philosophy in which the Divine Mother of the universe, or Shakti, is worshiped as the ultimate Reality.TantrasThe scriptures which are identified with the worship of the Divine Mother.TantricPertaining to Tantra; a follower of Tantra.TuriyaLit., “the fourth.” The superconscious state which is beyond the three ordinary states of consciousness: waking, dreaming, and dreamless sleep. It is the state of unitary consciousness, pure bliss. According to Shankara, this is not a state; it is the Atman.UpasanaMeditation; literally “sitting near.” Meditation is “sitting near” God.UpanishadsThe sacred scriptures which appear at the end of the Vedas and constitute their philosophical portion. The Upanishads form the philosophical basis of Vedanta.VaishnavaLit., a follower of Vishnu. An adherent of Vaishnavism—a dualistic branch of Hinduism. Vaishnavas follow the path of devotion to Vishnu, for the most part in his avatars such as Rama, Krishna, and Chaitanya.VallabhaA philosopher-saint of sixteenth-century India who wrote commentaries on the Brahma Sutras and the Bhagavatam.VartikaA verse-commentary.Vedanta DesikaA thirteenth-century philosopher and writer; one of Ramanuja’s greatest successors. Vedanta Desika, or Desika, was a voluminous writer, both in Sanskrit and Tamil. Desika stressed, in contrast to Pillai Lokacharya, that both grace and self-effort are necessary in spiritual life. The self-effort is necessary to achieve the Lord’s grace.VedasLit., “Veda” means knowledge or wisdom. The Vedas are the sacred and most ancient scriptures of the Hindus. Orthodox Hindus believe that the Vedas are the result of direct divine revelation; they are considered the final authority in all spiritual matters. There are four Vedas: the Rik, Yajur, Sama, and Atharva. Each Veda consists of a ritual or “work” portion, and the philosophical or “knowledge” portion, known as the Upanishads. The ritual portion consists of the Brahmanas—texts which discuss the significance of different sacrificial rites—and the Samhitas—a collection of mantras or hymns, addressed to specific deities such as Indra or Varuna. Also included in the ritual portion are the aranyakas which give a spiritual interpretation to the rituals.VidyaKnowledge leading to the ultimate Reality.VishishtadvaitaThe philosophy of qualified nondualism, founded by Ramanuja. Vishishtadvaita states that the individual soul and insentient matter are distinct from Brahman, but Brahman is the basis of their existence and reality.VishnuThe second aspect of the Hindu trinity, God in his aspect as the preserver of the universe. Vishnu is frequently shown with four arms, and he holds the discus, mace, conchshell, and lotus. According to the doctrine of the avatar, Vishnu incarnates as a human being in every age for the good of the world.Vivekananda, Swami(1863-1902) The most prominent disciple of Ramakrishna, also known as Swamiji. Swami Vivekananda came to America in 1893 as the Hindu representative at the Parliament of Religions. After his triumphal success at the Parliament, he held classes and lectures throughout the United States and Europe, thus initiating the Vedanta movement in the West. In India, Swamiji organized the Ramakrishna Math and Ramakrishna Mission.YajnaSacrifice, sacrificial ceremony; in Vedic times it meant “sacrificing things for the sake of the Deity.”YajnavalkyaA saint mentioned in the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad.YogaLit., “yoke”—the act of yoking or joining together. Yoga is union of the individual soul with the ultimate Reality. It is also the method by which this union is achieved. There are four yogas: bhakti yoga, the path of devotion; jnana yoga, the path of knowledge and discrimination; karma yoga, the path of detached work, and raja yoga, the path of meditation.
Advaita Vedanta is a three thousand year old school of Hindu philosophy and spiritual practices. The term Advaita first appeared as the Sanskrit term अद्वैत वेदान्त, which means not-two. Advaita teaches that moksha or freedom (sometimes translated as liberation, enlightenment, spiritual awakening or self-realization) can be achieved in your lifetime. The most prominent exponent of Advaita was Adi Shankara who lived around 800 AD. Today some call Advaita non-duality or direct inquiry. (Wikipedia)
This page discusses what freedom means in Advaita and how to achieve that freedom.
Freedom
What is freedom in Advaita? Is it freedom from death, from illusion, from suffering, from bad luck, from this world?
In our experience freedom in Advaita means freedom from thoughts. Each of us lives two lives. We live the life in our thoughts and we live the life we experience at present. Those two lives are the duality of Advaita and freedom from that duality – the not-two of Advaita – is when thoughts are absent and our experience of the present is all that remains, which is the oneness of Advaita.
Achieving Freedom
So how do you achieve that freedom? You achieve that freedom by shifting the balance from living your life as thoughts to living your life more in the present.
That balance towards freedom is not shifted through words and teachings. Putting more words into your head does not decrease thoughts. No, you shift that balance by training yourself to have less thoughts.
Meditating regularly is one way to shift that balance. In meditation thoughts tend to decrease and you become more familiar with the silence that remains – with the absence of thoughts that remains. And by meditating regularly you become more and more familiar with the absence of thoughts, which then helps you recognize and expand the absence of thoughts in everyday life.
Spending time alone in nature is another way to decrease thoughts and shift that balance. Take long walks alone in the forests, fields or parks. Better yet, put on a backpack and walk deep into nature, and spend many days there alone.
Meditation and time alone in nature may not shift that balance for you however. For you that balance may shift through gardening, dancing, yoga, singing, tai chi, sports, making music, knitting, etc. You are the only one who can know what shifts that balance for you.
Adi Shankara, the most prominent exponent of Advaita Vedanta, said around 800 AD:
“A clear vision of [freedom] may be obtained only through our own eyes, when they have been opened by insight – never through the eyes of some other seer. Through our own eyes we learn what the moon looks like: how could we learn this through the eyes of others?”
Viveka-Chudamani; Isherwood,
Prabhavananda translation; p. 40
Again, freedom is not achieved by reading or listening to words about Advaita, non-duality, direct inquiry or unity consciousness. In fact such words become actual barriers to achieving freedom because whenever you do experience the absence of thoughts you might dismiss it as irrelevant to achieving freedom because your experience of the absence of thoughts does not match up with any of the words you have learned.
That the absence of thoughts cannot be described or expressed with words is central to achieving freedom. Shankara said:
“He who seeks [freedom] must meditate upon it in the shrine of his heart. The intellect cannot understand it. It is out of the reach of thought. It is beyond the expression of speech.”Ibid; p. 75
Those who believe that Advaita’s freedom can be achieved through words also tend to believe that that freedom will reveal things that are hidden such as the true nature of consciousness, the true nature of the self, their oneness with the universe or witnessing sleep. However when some people first start to notice the absence of thoughts it brings no such revelations. Nothing hidden is revealed and everything remains the same, except perhaps that life is more pleasant. So you dismiss your glimpses of the absence of thoughts as irrelevant to achieving freedom since the absence of thoughts revealed nothing that the words you learned said they would. So you continue on, endlessly seeking freedom.
In summary, you navigate your way to freedom on your own, you avoid words and you trust yourself. That’s it.
Good luck.
After Thoughts
Once the absence of thoughts is established in your life you might notice that:
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Patitpaban Panigrahi [PP]: Thank you.welcome I can discuss on some subjects and topics ,which l have read.But l can’t discuss on Wisdom.cos in reality there is no wisdom and nothing like Western and Eastern wisdom., as there is no objective reality in the World and so no reality of regional division of Orient and Occident. There is no subjective reality in the World either. So in a total unreal realm, all knowledge is unreal so there can’t be any wisdom in the manifest world…And the un manifest world is ever absent.
Robin Starbuck [rjs]:
Thanks for your graciousness. 🌹
You mentioned that you studied advaita, right? Rupert Spira was talking about the non-existence of objective reality too. Then he alluded briefly to neo-advaita…. Do you know about it?
PP
Actually l haven’t read much on Advaita, meager.
I have heard Rupert Spira very little.and not read much.About “Neo Advaita” l have no idea…
I don’t know Spirituality.
There is no spirit , so no spirituality.Spirituality is a hoax, a Human’s mental construct. In reality-
• There is no path,no destination and no quest•
As U R Changeless, stateless and Timeless,
Nondoer, nonvolitional, a kinetic, non learner.Fixed
Maas of Absent Pure Awareness , that cuts though the objectivity like a hot knife in melting butter.
It is a pathless path–
No Dvaita,no Advaita,BishisthaAdvaita,
No Shunyabad.
No duality, no non duality
No neo Advaita…
No nonbeingness/Nothingness
PP
I don’t know myself, what to speak of Neo-Advaita of
Super Spira.!!! That is BIG knowledge, But l am bereft of knowledge..
Whatever is express as my
knowledge is that–which l don’t know. And whatever l know I can’t express.
rjs
Patitpaban Panigrahi
You realize you’re blowing my mind, don’t you? Lol
(Laugh Out Loud!!!)
What do you do in your life? (I can’t believe I asked such a stupid question! Lol)
Kari, help!!!
rjs
Why would I not want to cut through all the way to the end of the nonsense that is this world? I don’t know…..
rjs
Nothing would please me more! But I don’t want to be selfish. I feel I have something valuable to offer people in need of healing.
rjs
I try to get such people to realize that they don’t need another person to do for them what they can and should do for themselves: heal.
rjs
They need to change their focus 180° and realize they have NO BODY. They should lose themselves in what is really true and never look back.
PP
On–//What do you do in life//
Actually I can’t answer any question nor clear any doubt !!
I am non doer l don’t do.
There is no world.
None is born in to it
Nobody does anything in it
Nobody gets birth in it
Nobody dies in it
Nobody is bound in it
Nobody free from it
No happiness no suffering
NONE EVER GETS ENLIGHTENED IN IT..
Nobody acquired knowledge or wisdom it it
PP
On // not being Selfish
and helping others //
There is no entity in you
that can or can’t ‘be’ or ‘ ‘become’ anything including selfish or not selfish.
rjs
But I know people are suffering (I don’t allow them to discuss details on my site because the whole point is they don’t have symptoms in a non-existent body).
rjs
But “me” wants to help them….
PP
//On helping others//
There are no others.
•You haven’t come to this world to help other and establish peace in this world., you have come here to awaken from the mortal dream of life.•
Ha ha ha.
The one who attempts to awaken is the ‘person’ is always false..
None to awaken coz. U never Slept, never came to this world, U have transcended the world from the outset.U never moved.U R Constant and Fixed and Changeless.in
the Timeless NOW in the realless realm of Nothingness.
Kari Churchill Laidman [KCL]:
I feel that way too
rjs
He just makes so much sense! I feel like I have too much mental clutter. I’ve got to be the best me and that’s no me!!!
KCL
Was trying to add that post above to another. I mean that I feel the same way about having to be here. I also feel the need to be here for others but when I realize the truth I know I really dont have to do anything
KCL
Yes I know the mental clutter lol
rjs
You did say once that you’re not 100%, right?
PP On// being 100% right// I said — Whatever I say is that– which l don’t know and whatever I know that I can’t say. I am 100% wrong. I am that which is appearing to you is an appearance , a person is always a false, so the me I am is a Fraud. The Real I am is nonexistent. The fraud-you is interacting now The real ‘no-u’ doest not , can’t, and needn’t interact.BE That U R That, in timelessness
rjs
Patitpaban Panigrahi you misread the one marked WoW. There’s a comma which means “right” = “do you agree” that you intimated that you’re not absent from this body-world 100% of the time, do you agree?
PP
On// not being absent from the body-world 100%
of the time///
“I” Am independent of the Time.In reality there is no Time. So what does it matter if “some apparent me” is functioning in the
”falsified time”.”I” Am untouched by that.and I can’t and don’t show concern to anything false
including spirituality.
rjs
I wonder what both of you and anybody else would think of this writing by Robert Adams:
“Every negative condition you see in the world is a lie. Every positive condition you see in the world is a lie. Reality is beyond positive and negative. Why do you see these things? Why do you worry and fret about your life or about the life of someone else?
What can possibly happen to you? Where can you go? Who suffers? Only the body-ego-mind suffers. To the extent that you can realize that you are not the body-ego-mind, to that extent do you become totally, absolutely free.”
Robert Adams
20th century
American Advaita mystic
PP
On//Writing of Robert Adam//
All positive and negative observation in life are are false. Because the world is false. Absent. Can’t be positive ,negative.
None came to live in this world including u. So no observation or Botheration of your life and others life.Ha ha ha,
Question — then to whom is he advising and why !!!!
Answer—
The great master is not advising anybody.
HE is Unborn, Did not come, Did not talk, the apparent Master is an illusion,and appearing in spontaneity bereft of objective and purpose.
In reality there is no Advisor or Advised or the act of advising.No subject
No object no act.Still .Silence. Nothing is ever happening…..
What ever the apparent may think, mind, do, enjoy or suffer……
Omnamoshivaya
rjs
Patitpaban Panigrahi
I guess I need to ponder and meditate on all that you’ve said.
rjs
Patitpaban Panigrahi
I do think there are various paths but that 99% of them are very slow.
PP
On//Various paths and 99% are slow//
U R already what U R -changeless, Fixed. Nowhere to move, go or achieve.The one who is thinking about the path is the person – false – fraud-
a dream character and the dream is always on in real time, But U R not and never in the this dream called reality but U R Free
No path no where to go.
Whatever effort.may the person do , can’t be enlightened.There is no necessity of it…
rjs
I’m having a physical reaction to this info. My tummy hurts 😢
PP
I stop then . Relax.
Nothing ever happens .
Nothing has happened
I am a Fraud. Forget , Don’t believe me.
rjs
I do believe you. It’s what I learned in childhood except there was so much leeway that I floundered.
PP
Where is the point of self blame. We were discussing happier things.
Where was the point of being repentant. Why pple
decidedly and dedicatedly want to be Human, when the know the truth that they are not. Why forcibly bring decadence , is strange.!!! The ego. the.Maya is such powerful!!! I understand …
PP
There is no past, and there is no future.U R Changeless Fixed bereft of soorriw and happiness .
Relax. Enjoy
rjs Patitpaban Panigrahi Thank you for that. Thank you for all your efforts. If anyone told me you were a fraud I would punch him in the nose!
KCL
This is all amazing!! Have had to read it a few time. Some of the words, I admit I dont understand but that dosnt matter because I get the concept of it all. Its amazing!
rjs Well, you’re doing better than I did last night! I got one of those wake up calls by way of a stab in the belly! It soon disappeared and so much cleared up. I realize that all of my hard efforts in the past had finally paid off. It’s not that I was so wrong, it’s that I needed to go the full length, like most people never do.
rjs I gave our chat a new title: “NOT POSSIBLE”. My ‘physical reaction’ has lifted and left me with a very positive conviction: all that you had so painstakingly spelled out for me yesterday was THE ANSWER to a lifetime of searching. I believe that everyone is searching for the same ULTIMATE REALIZATION but they just never go far enough, so they keep having to start all over again. (Even our friend, Rupert! Lol)
rjs
It’s so damnably hard for mortals to quit with the ego: we’re so driven by it. But alas the onus is upon us to do just that.
rjs
My tummy ache yesterday was physically quite out of character for me. It was not a headache, indicating a mere overload there: it was in the gut, telling me that gut-wrenching conclusions lie ahead!
PP Good morning, l am writing , these are very primary school standard knowledge or no knowledge at all, You are aware of all these, I am just trying to build up the lessions from basic.I am a teacher by profession,besides other things, you know that, It takes time to go to higher class. Actually I don’t qualify to be a teacher of Advaita and l don’t have aim, desire ambition of being anything but a learner.I have no authority and no capacity, I am going in writing purposelessly and without any expectation and result.It is not spiritual and is brereft of enlightenment Kindly put questions and doubts, so that the discussion becomes bilateral and directional. I am totally silent and Absent , these movements are in spontaneity, the Jiva-me is ignorant ….
PP
Namaste , welcome , thank you.I came late ,vwas busy else where.
Wisdoms is a function of mind- brain activity.Brain is body part and there is neither subjective nor objective reality of the Body-Mind.
— So all the knowledge and wisdom are devoid of subjective – objective reality.Hence are Unreal, absence of truth in it -false
By same count the matter, the energy, the world are False , so Absent.
No world, so no Orient and no Occident , classification is false and we said there is no wisdom , all so called wisdom are false not any wisdom.
So no question of an unification–
NOT PISSIBLE.
to unite the nonexistent.
PP
On
// Everyone is searching for the same ULTIMATE REALUSATION but they just never go far enough…//
The one who strives for the realization , tries to walk a path to reach some imginary point is the ‘person’, the Jiva,is a dream character, is false.
And false can’t achieve the Truth.Forget it.
The world is false, non existent, Absent, .
Can anybody come to this world to live here.None.
Nobody ever lived , nobody ever did any, nobody born and nobody died, Nothing ever happens there.
You never came to this world, You are Unborn Birthless and so deathless.So endless .
You are nondoer, don’t do anything.
You are not in this world ,but you are in a nonexistent tealmless realm of notime n no space.Spaceless timeless.
without past and future.You are in timelessness , continues ever. So it is called Timeless – NOW..
PP
On // It is so damnably hard for mortals to quit the ego…..//
The dream of a the Jiva, the Person is continuously on , is functioning in time and is very powerful is impelling the Jiva to believe the dream as real and the ego is busy in defending the myth that–people are born in to this world and living, loving,doing,during, and striving for liberation , for freedom , heavens and God. …….
Here is the appearance of the person, the Jiva or the
HUMAN and the doership of the person.
The Universe is an appearance, along with its
all contents and the Human life is a ” mental construct”…..All are unreal false..
COMPNENTS OF LIVING—
Are Birth, Death,Sleep, Awake, Deep Sleep, Happiness- Sorrow, Pain-Pleasure,Intellect-Memory.Bondage-Liberation-Nirvana …..All are apparent real not the real real.Human believes that these are real by egoic compulsion and efforts to
get liberation –Nirvana..
••The born apparent is a falcified person that can’t have bondage, so can’t have LIBERATION•••
The YourSelf,The Self, U are in the Realmless-realm
of The Real, untouched by the components of the world of Time and are oblivious of the manifest apparent world of illusion-
Maya.
rjs Patitpaban Panigrahi, as you may have surmised, I have been taking all that you’ve said very seriously. I’m sure it will click in place in my consciousness very soon so that I can comment more fully. One thing I’m sure of is that I would not have reached a point of receptivity or even curiosity about a dvaita if I hadn’t trodden the path that I did. That’s why I think my path was successful.
PP So nice of you. Thank you
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Patitpaban Panigrahi
-THE SHUNYA-
PURITY OF ONENESS
And that purity was ever there as ‘I Am ‘ is ‘l Am ‘-Everything and Nothing; as I alone Am –including the Dream, Dreamer, Dreamt and Dream Character : And that Everything and Nothing outside of the Dream, all assertions, negations and nutral
There is none other than the “l”..
କରୁ କରାଉ ଥାଏ ମୁହି
करू कराउथाए मूहि
( l alone Am keeping on doing)
~The Odia Bhagvat of Sharala Das
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Nice.
That Absent Nothing is
The Brahman too, whether immanent or apparent.
• Something and Nothing
what is not the Brahman•?
-I am the Absolute-
.is the Brahman
I am the Relative- is the Brahman. Yes Robin Starbuck Jacobi Padua
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rjs
Brah·man (brä′mən) n.
also Brah·ma (-mə) Hinduism
a. The divine and absolute power of being that is the source and sustainer of the universe.
b. The divine universal consciousness pervading the universe and sustaining the souls of individual persons; Atman.
c. A religious formula or prayer and the holy or sacred power in it and in the officiating priest.
Variant of Brahmin..
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PATITPABAN PANIGRAHI :
To: Robin Starbuck Brahman– God ( Sanskrit) Parabrahman- Also God, The Absolute. Brahma– is a deity , the creator of the Creation. ( Vishnu- deity is maintainer , ruler of Creation , who takes Avatar like Ram, Krishna etc– total 9 Avatars , Buddha is the last Avatar . Shiva- deity is the destroyer of the creation) To add to the confusion there is another word– Brahmin –is a caste specific of human.The highest caste in Hinduism, is by birth to a Brahmin father and Brahmin mother, supposed to be n persuit of knowledge, practicing spirituality, guiding society, living in austerity, the priest performing rituals and worshing in temple..They are respected in the society by all people,revered by all even today.21 st century.whatever profession they may be in..For information -by birth – I am a Brahmin- Advaitabadi, my clan is small practicing the path of Shankaracharya — –Sarba khalva idam Brahman–.means All the manifest is Brahman. This embodies Shunyabad, means-Nothingness, Void , Nonbeingness Ha ha ha It implies that I am a congenital Advaitin , Shunyabadi. Ha ha
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HISTORY Story wise all began only when l was 66.Then l knew Advaita, before that it was nil. I got Nothing at 68.yrs. At 70, before retirement from Professorship, l was shakily with Nothingness– Shunya, After 70 it solidified. Now l am 72+3months..with health issues, and worldly Botherations, Wife’s health issues.Children are married ,families, earning well, settled, 3 grand daughters always waiting to be spoiled,3 ur, 5 yes10 yrs, gargling monkey like. No problem, My students are great surgeons settled every country of the globe and every city of India, bringing laurel, pride.like that.Ha ha. Grace.
RJS: I think if you incorporate your so-called “life story” in with your explanations of how to approach enlightenment, people will understand more easily. It would give them something they can relate to.
PATITPABAN PANIGRAHI: Professionally l am a teacher of medical science.So l know how to be a student first with perfection. Thats how . The dangerous cancer surgeries l undertook for 40 years, made me thoroughly subdued. Every moment l worked in crisis, Cancer is a very frustrating subject, what to do, so many cases are missed.Learning is very meticulous, terrible patience, holding emotions, frustration, humiliation all are same.
RJS: Forgive me but I must tell you that I deeply admire you. I have one question for you: how do you have the passion and desire to share your enlightenment knowledge now?
PATITPABAN PANIGRAHI: Robin Starbuck, Actually this sharing alone is my Sadhana, meditation, prayer, .. This alone is my exercise, l can’t do meditation or contemplation outside of the face book, This writing is my self enqiry , search and path. I have no experience, realization or knowledge. Mine is only at intellectual plane , l have no knowledge of higher planes.l read very small amount from Nisargadatta and Robert Adams only. I have no enlightenment, l share only analysis.Can’t claim anything nor l be dogmatic.I am ordinary only. It was you who showed continued interest to interact so l continued, lest many people discontinue at some point Because of your acceptance l opened up,thats all. You have been very helpful and encouraging for me to be go deeper. I am thankful to you. Thats all
SONG OF MYSELF (and absolutely everyone) A Cube in a Globe – yin yang RJS MOST IMPORTANT AND THOROUGHLY ENLIGHTENING !!! 🎶💖💓🌞🎼💞
“I don’t know why it took me 20 years!” The knowing itself has no limits. I’m full puts an end to lack. Separate self activities . . . I am awareness = a discovery. It’s so obvious. How to live this understanding? Live all realms of our life with expression of this understanding.
Attention = a tendere = to stretch. Get used to letting your mind slowly sink back into your heart (with no focus). Separate objects – tea, person, thought – Knowing never divides into separate objects. See through appearances to God’s infinite being. When you you turn your attention back on yourself, it ceases to be attention. We are too close to ourself. The sun can shine on everything except itself, nor does it need to. Just by being itself it knows itself. When you’re abiding as yourself (BE-ing yourself) you’d never ask the question of how do I get there. When you notice yourself thinking, and you bring it back to I, that’s all you need to do. But don’t discipline your thoughts: don’t make thoughts a problem. Be loving with them. Whenever you’re thinking you’re moving away from your Self. Where are you going and why? Encourage thoughts. They’ll come to a natural end, not a discipline. That thought can’t give us lasting happiness. If thought turns its attention back on itself it ceases to be thought and is revealed as pure consciousness. This open, empty dimensionless awareness that we essentially are is not limited to any of the thoughts, feelings, sensations in it just like the space in this room is not limited by anything in it, not even the walls. The awareness that we essentially are only seems to share the limits of the body-mind but it doesn’t. It was present prior to the body-mind and is present during the appearance of the body-mind and will remain present after its disappearance. We don’t discover it when we die, we can discover it before. We experience the disappearance of the body-mind world but we never experience the disappearance of ourselves. This is the great discovery to be made about ourselves and if the source of true peace and happiness. What I essentially am does not share the limits or destiny of the body. Until we have made this discovery about ourselves we can never really know what anything is because everything appears in conformity to our belief about ourselves. The only way we can know what we truly are is to give ourselves the attention and turn our attention away from the things we seem to know and shine the light of knowing back upon ourself. In this abidance the memory of our true nature gradually in most cases, suddenly in some cases dawns on us. That is the royal road to peace and happiness – THE DIRECT PATH TO PEACE AND HAPPINESS. [What is neo-advaita?…]rjs
What is the experience of being aware? Awareness is self-aware. I am aware. That non-objective experience is unique. Awareness knows itself. For awareness to know itself is non-practice of being itself. Self- resting, abiding, being. Sinking of mind into heart.
On the Spiritual Path you will be tempted, not a hundred times, but a thousand times, to believe in a selfhood apart from the I that I am; you will be tempted to believe that you are that separate selfhood, or that your son or your daughter is a selfhood separate and apart from God.
Each time it will be an effort to remember: I is God; I is infinite being: I is infinite individuality. Then when you have achieved that realization you can rest—but only for a few minutes, until the next temptation comes along.
STILL GOT A HANDFUL OF UNWANTED RECURRING THOUGHTS?
Here’s an exercise to turn every one of them into a major blessing and get the “recurring” to take a permanent hike. Let’s make up a list ranging from annoying to downright nasty self-accusing thoughts to practice with. Take your time and answer each unwanted thought below thoroughly and finally (give details):
● You did [it] again – you can’t do anything right.
● You’re a murderer.
● You’ll never achieve that, you’ve tried so many times. Give up!
● You’re just a thief.
● You’ve got to do better: that just won’t work.
● Your worst enemy is ahead of you in [that].
● You’re only fooling yourself.
● You’re sick.
● You never should have trusted [them].
● You’ll never stop hating [them].
DID YOU SPEAK TO EVERY “THOUGHT” WITH AUTHORITY AND FINALITY?
Step #2: Repeat answering the above even more strongly. Make it real and personal.
DONE ? Great, now I DARE any actual unwanted thoughts of yours to try to torment you again! They can only make you stronger if you face them down like you just did on the made up ones above. After all, that’s all unwanted thoughts really are – made up and ready to go!
[Example: “You’re sick”.
Level #1: NO, I AM NOT. I’M THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD SO I CANNOT BE SICK. I DON’T EVEN LIVE IN A MATERIAL BODY BECAUSE I AM ENTIRELY SPIRITUAL.]
Level #2: Never born, never dying, I’m not a human being. I know nothing of sickness or any disharmony or harmony of the flesh. You want me to deal with aspects of an illusion?? That’s ridiculous! There is no me and there is no you. All that there is is God.
DrRobinStarbuck
HERE’S HOW TO MAKE YOURSELF AN HONEST INVESTIGATOR OF DIFFERING APPROACHES
Change sides. Thoroughly. Completely. Sincerely. Enthusiastically. For good.
When you feel a resistance to do so, investigate that resistance with everything you’ve got. As if your life depended on it. Find out every positive thing that there is about your new path. Find joy and love in it. Allow yourself the right to be impressed.
If you can’t do that and much, much more, to understand a differing path, you should remain perfectly silent: you’ve failed.
Best advice – try again. It’s way too important to give up on. The whole world is so adamantly prejudiced, including you. It’s very mesmeric, very depressing, very changeable – but only by a person with a heart of gold.
FINALLY, if you’ve finally made it, you can compare by honestly juxtaposing, the two systems, assessing their unique variations.
If you haven’t found many, many amazing surprises then I’m afraid you must return to the third and fourth paragraphs of this post.
Thank you.
DrRobinStarbuck
